tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14345420.post8871380592925612594..comments2023-12-21T12:24:25.009-05:00Comments on Fight in the Dog: Jim Dietz on Women's Lightweight RowingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14345420.post-6862116224657455542007-02-17T00:34:00.000-05:002007-02-17T00:34:00.000-05:00Any D1 rowing program should be able to field a te...Any D1 rowing program should be able to field a team of 2 eights and a four.<BR/><BR/>If NCAAs followed the Olympic format, programs would pot hunt, which is done at the Olympics. Collegiate rowing would not grow under the Olympic format; numbers would actually go down. Coaches, who don't think they can qualify as a team or eight, would focus on a pair or double that they thought might get to NCAAs. The majority of the team would be ignored and quit.<BR/><BR/>Racing crews of similar importance has a lot of merit. If all countries put their top male rowers in the 4-, the race would be awesome. Great athletic achievements will grow the sport, not looking for an easier event to win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14345420.post-21864656381356796422007-02-13T18:46:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:46:00.000-05:00I think your view may be a bit skewed, but you hav...I think your view may be a bit skewed, but you have written almost exactly what I would have written about a year ago. My view has changed since then mainly because I am less certain that growth will come anyway. True, the field is getting much more competitive, but as we see Tulsa and Stetson add lightweights, we see URI allow them to drift away (I could be wrong here, the next couple of seasons will tell us more). Even in those schools that add lightweights, its not clear that they are adding them as a separate program. Take UCF, for example. One of the top programs in the country, yet it isn't a separate team. With a change in coaches that program could disappear tomorrow. As it is, lightweights are pulled into the heavyweight boat during the season.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I think it's pretty clear that lightweight boats self-select out of competition as the season progresses because they realize they can't compete with the top boats, thereby leaving a false impression of the strength of the category. Those rowers then go into heavyweight boats and become part of this huge heavyweight category with hundreds of teams. Because heavyweight boats are the default for nearly all programs, the unsuccessful lightweights join unsuccessful heavyweights and together become fodder for the top heavyweight teams and get their brains beat in week after week (maybe winning a minor regatta or two along the way). I have an upcoming post on this theory, so I'll leave it there for now.<BR/><BR/>If you've read much of FITD, you know that I've been highly critical of the NCAA, yet I'm beginning to think that an NCAA championship would be best for lightweights (call it the FITD Dialectic!). While I agree with you that the men get along fine without it, because the heavy women have an NCAA championship, I fear that athletic directors see heavyweights as "real" crew, and are happy using only heavyweights for their "woman quota." So, because it exists for the heavies, I wonder if it doesn't have to exist for the lights to ensure lightweights continue as a collegiate category. I don't know...<BR/><BR/>Sculling is a whole other issue. I've written here something similar to what you've said about sculling, and I'm torn between the Teti championship model (only top eights) and the Dietz "Olympic" championship model. If we continue to have fours though, I think quads would be a much better option. They're faster, more exciting, and could train alongside eights. As for Olympic events (the light men race a 4-, by the way), I would have only the fastest 1, 2, 4, and 8 person boats, men and women, heavy and light, leaving out the eight for the lightweights. In other words, the 1x, 2x, 4x, and 8+ only. This would drop the number of rowers from 46 to 44 and provide more exciting events. For colleges, though, an eight puts the most people on the water, so it's a favored boat.<BR/><BR/>This issue, I think, is the most important issue in women's lightweight rowing - how does the sport grow? Is it through different events? Can better organized coaches do it? Different boats? Does it have to be through the NCAA? I'm afraid if it has to be through the NCAA because I can't see how that will happen. I wish we had more comments like yours on this subject because I think it would be incredibly valuable to air out a variety of views. Heck, we could start a wiki on that issue alone!JW Burkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00986444574194021099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14345420.post-68309245210931568442007-02-13T12:10:00.000-05:002007-02-13T12:10:00.000-05:00Perhaps I will have a skewed view of this topic as...Perhaps I will have a skewed view of this topic as a rower at a school that takes for granted its lightweight women's program (and funding, and top-of-the-line equipment, and our own coaches, and... ), but I don't entirely understand the desire to make this sport a full fledged NCAA event.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I assume there are tons of complicated items like title 9, etc to be dealt with... But both the heavyweight and lightweight men's programs seem to be doing quite well without becoming intimately acquainted with NCAA... (I see one of the most popular posts on the side bar is all about the negatives of heavy men joining for an NCAA championship instead of the IRA...) What are the benefits for lightweight women in making such a step? It seems to my naive little self that the NCAA status really puts a lot of restrictions and complicated details unnecessarily into the sport.<BR/><BR/>The answer: Growth, I see... but would growth not come anyway? Are numbers not up already? Isn't the lightweight women's event at the IRA becoming more and more competitive? (I don't see this plateauing either right now) Rowing has been around for a while, and it seems to be doing quite well. I think the focus for growth of the lightweight women's categories should lie in, as stated, organization and more or even different (this might be a bit radical?) events.<BR/><BR/>I think it is worth pointing out specifically that the only lightweight women's Olympic event is the 2x (sculling). This is in stark contrast to the only national championship event being the 8 (sweeping). I don't particularly want to say that we should shift the traditional focus from the 8 (that sounds really radical to me...), but there is an inherent discontinuity here. Maybe as the sport continues to grow, rather than adding 4+'s to the menu at the major championships we should add the 2x?<BR/><BR/>And now that I am thinking about it, funny/weird that the lightweight men also only have lwt sculling at the Olympics, yet they too only have the 8 at the IRA and Sprints. (?)Hmmm...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com